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The sound of silence from nonvoters

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Regarding Robert Stanelle’s letter in Saturday’s Sun, I believe he misunderstood the outcome of the election.

He mentioned that the people spoke loud and clear and the Republicans should take heed. The only people who spoke loud and clear are the 15 million who did not vote, either because they did not like or approve of either candidate, or they were simply put off by the demeaning rhetoric of the political ads inundating the American public for over six months.

So, I would advise Mr. Stanelle that in 2014, majority may throw out Democrats as well as Republicans, especially if the Democrats try to read that there was a mandate by the meager popular vote edge.

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  1. Amen letter writer. Correct. President Obama, with the the melba toast lamestream media, had a lock on the second term for the White House. BUT not the GOPeoples' House. Second terms are devastating to presidents who get them. If there was ever a historical reason to limit presidential terms to 4 years, read and understand the history of second term presidents. We've had 16 second termers, not counting Theodore Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman who served most of the first term of their predecessor. Second terms aren't just for legacies, they are for huge perils: Scandals, wars, and on-going strife with Congress. Obama's second term doesn't appear to be any different.

    CarmineD

  2. Another reason for lower voter turnout:essentially the campaigning only took place in 10 states. The other 40 states were conceded and, in fact, the closest result in any non-battleground state was an 8% margin of victory.

  3. "Party whores are ruining the Republican party. Read them here all day every day."

    The joy of hate knows no bounds and limits. Before you criticize the splinter in your neighbor's eye, remove the log from your own.

    CarmineD

  4. JeffFromVegas - Also valid points.

  5. The pres does have a mandate! MSNBC's The Last word had a chart last night that shows Obama had the largest margin of victory since before Reagan.When W claimed a mandate he won by only .0041%. Obama's margin was an astounding .0290%. This is a mandate.
    By the way, had there not been redistricting after the 2010 elections, The house would be Blue today.

  6. I have one word for you Jeffery: Benghazi. Obama is going down and the GOP is just the party who will do it.

    CarmineD

  7. <<I have one word for you Jeffery: Benghazi. Obama is going down and the GOP is just the party who will do it>>

    Another "prediction", Carmine?

    BTW - you DO realize that if Obama "goes down" as you are predicting, Joe Biden becomes President for the next 4 years. There is no "do over" election.

  8. "The only people who spoke loud and clear are the 15 million who did not vote, either because they did not like or approve of either candidate, or they were simply put off by the demeaning rhetoric of the political ads inundating the American public for over six months."

    Pucine -- I'm one of those non-voters. Other than being disgusted with the choice is constantly between scary and very scary, my reasons are different than yours. I didn't participate mainly for disgust with the entire show put on by the candidates AND the way this body politick acts like a herd. The fact that only Rs and Ds have any chance of being elected, and the winner is whoever puts on the best show, is all the proof one needs.

    "I am one of those who chose in the end NOT to vote in this past election. These choices were all about which candidate had the best "gift package" to offer"

    BChap -- wow, we agree

    "The people should not be deceived ... a major, undemocratic restructuring of our national institutions and mores is constantly in progress." -- Justice Scalia dissenting in Board of County Commissioners, Wabaunsee County, Kansas v. Umbehr, 518 U.S. 668, 709-10 (1996)

  9. Nobody has a MANDATE unless they are elected by 50% of ELIGIBLE voters. And 50% is hardly an overwhelming chorus. When popular vote was close to 50/50, we must communicate with both platforms and with those who didn't like either platform. It is long past time to STOP talking about abortion. Reprehensible perhaps but it is our law. Contraception? Perhaps reprehensible but no one has the right to insist ANY woman bear a child under any circumstances. Marriage? ditto. As long as the tax code gives financial discounts to "married", couples, head of household, dependents, the tax laws insist that all unions be recognized. It is just NOT the role of the federal government to INTRUDE in local matters, state's rights, individual rights to PURSUE happiness--there is no constitutional guarantee to health, wealth, happiness--just the right to pursue it. The "common good" is NOT an enumerated power and we need the courts to rule as such. The common good is ALLOWING OUR ECONOMY to function without taxing into dysfunction precluding anyone from pursuing anything.

  10. For those who "forgot", there are basic rights that CANNOT be infringed by MAJORITY votes. And those rights include the first 10 amendments aka as the Bill or Rights. The right to be secure (from excessive taxation) is inherent.

  11. Carmine: Biden as President? Harry Reid? Pelosi? Unless we get a recall or impeachment or resignation after appointment of a potential president that can perform.....

  12. OK, Carmine, as Speaker of the House, Representative Boehner is after Reid. No danger of Pelosi moving in. Boehner seems actually much more qualified that the two "in-line" before him. Biden, no discussion needed. Reid, no discussion needed, but he's too old, too mentally challenged, too much of the same non-partisan bickerer who refuses to compromise and refuses to act. So if we have to wait until the economy collapses a bit more for the American citizenry to DEMAND change....

  13. You anti liberal, progressive, Democrat, (pick one) people will whine and moan about FDR, Carter, Clinton and Obama until the day you die. Not knowing or caring to understand why the country as whole feels differently than you do.

  14. Roselenda,

    You are mistaken, the Speaker of the House is the person next in line after the VP, *then* comes the President pro Tempore of the Senate.

    After that it moves to the various Cabinet Secretaries, starting the the Secretary of State.

  15. Obviously the nay sayers have not studied past elections. 3 million is a HUGE mandate. Accept your defeat and move on with your life.

  16. So 15 million non voters matter more than all the millions who did vote? On what planet does the writer live?

  17. "<<I have one word for you Jeffery: Benghazi. Obama is going down and the GOP is just the party who will do it>>

    Another "prediction", Carmine?

    BTW - you DO realize that if Obama "goes down" as you are predicting, Joe Biden becomes President for the next 4 years. There is no "do over" election." @Det_Munch

    If you have been reading here regularly, I called the President and his minnows out for lying [video nonsense excuse] to Americans about the murders of the 4 Americans on 9-11 on 9/12 and since. President came to Vegas the day after the murders to campaign for money. Said "we hit a bump in the road." Our President's sum total of the wisdom on Benghazi! 4 murders, no explanation why. State, CIA and Defense running and hiding. Family and friends of the murdered Americans shunned by the country. And you want be to feel sorry if Obama is kicked out for Biden? Who picked Biden? And who voted for him? Not me.

    CarmineD

  18. "Carmine: Biden as President? Harry Reid? Pelosi? Unless we get a recall or impeachment or resignation after appointment of a potential president that can perform....." @Roberta Anderson

    The US has had two impeachment proceedings in second term presidents in recent history for crimes much less worse than Benghazi: Nixon and Watergate [break-in and cover up] and Clinton and Monica Lewinsky [sex on the job and cover up]. 4 Americans murdered in Benghazi. More than 2 months later and still no facts and truth. Just the CIA, State, Defense, and President running and hiding and cover up from it.

    CarmineD

  19. Carmine,

    "The US has had two impeachment proceedings in second term Presidents in recent history for crimes much less worse than Benghazi."

    You have been crying about Benghazi since before the election.When are you going to stop? There will not be any impeachment proceeding on this issue.I guess you will just have to wait for 2016 for Pres.Obama to finish his term.Romney and Ryan conceded the election.When will you?

  20. Hello Sam:

    I don't know if and when the "I" word will be brought up for Obama. It really doesn't matter to me. What matters is that the USA has 4 murdered American heroes in the scandal and lies surrounding Benghazi, Libya. And the President and his minnows are running and hiding from testifying about what they knew and when. Thank goodness for divided government and the GOP party [with some Dems like Senator Feinstein]. They will get to the bottom of facts and fiasco of Benghazi and heads are/will roll. I guarantee it. Nothing new coming from me Sam. I said this on 9-11 and since. I said it was a landmine. So far, I'm right and you and other Obama swooners like you have been wrong. Obama is the President. He won. AND as a result he is accountable for what he did and when. He's not getting a free pass. Not with 4 murders. He dared McCain and Graham to go after him and not Rice, his front woman. Well guess what Sam. They are going after Obama.

    CarmineD

  21. BTW Sam, my use of impeachment was in response to Roberta Anderson's post TO ME. I didn't utter/post the word.

    CarmineD

  22. "Impeachment?

    Lewinsky?

    Watergate?

    Cover ups?

    Talk about a new breed of delusional sore losers.

    The bitterness is turning toxic." @Jeffery

    Oh, I see. Congressional hearings and investigations have no consequences. Really? Think again. If you think not, you're delusional one.

    CarmineD

  23. Carmine,
    I don't see where Roberta Anderson has a post calling for the impeachment of Pres.Obama only yours where you brought it up today at 4;44 am.

    Perhaps you could show me at what time slot Roberta Anderson wrote about the impeachment of Pres. Obama on the Benghazi issue today.I may have over looked it somehow.

  24. Sam: Look again and reread the thread and posts. Clean your glasses, if you wear them. If not get your eyes checked. And get a cup of joe to get your brain working. You're losing it or just finding excuses to do so.

    CarmineD

  25. Comment removed by moderator. Personal Attack

  26. "Carmine........

    The GOP is the official party of the crazies.

    The majority of Americans know this.

    Republicans will keep losing in the future.

    They can't change their craziness.

    It's impossible." @Teamster

    Please tell us about that union initiative on the ballot in Michigan that had tons of union money behind it that the GOP and Michigan voters knocked down.

    CarmineD

  27. Here Teamster I'll post a link for you and others.

    Like I always said here: Collective bargaining is not a legal right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/busine...

    CarmineD

  28. boftx 1:36. OK on the succession for President. Ya think Biden will resign. Hillary can be VP. And THEN O. will resign after impeachment or indictment. If not Hillary, who else? I'm OK with Rep Boehner. Not sure Hillary wants it but at least SHE seems to have ethics--I read a lot into HER SILENCE about Libya, and how O. operates. Wonder why Hillary wouldn't do the "presentation" so that O. had to ask Ms. Rice.

  29. Watergate brought Nixon down. Watergate was a break-in sort of burglary of campaign offices. It was the COVERUP that did him in, the lying, the hypocrisy. O. has already said that Susan Rice was "just making a presentation" on the information we spoon-fed her to deceive the American public while AT THAT TIME we already knew that information was deceptive, dishonest, done only to preclude turmoil BEFORE the election. Also, O. has said that now that the election is over, he can disclose some of his plans--how he's going to raise taxes and spend, spend, spend. Not one word on what O. wants to cut--although they have an "agreement" that there will be 3x the cuts versus revenue enhancement.

  30. Baaaabaaabeeee, you ain't seen nothing yet. Get used to the harping and harshness cause that's all we're gonna here: Congressional investigations on the INTENTIONAL DECEPTION of the American voters. Ya think the campaigning was 24/7....

  31. Carmine, I'm sorry I still don't see where Roberta Anderson called for the Impeachment of Pres.Obama over the Benghazi issue.

    I did see earlier before my 10:30 am post today.That Roberta Anderson did post on Nov.15TH,at 10:32 AM here is what she said.

    "Carmine,Biden as Pres?,Harry Reid?,Nancy Pelosi?,unless we get a recall or impeachment or resignation after appointment of a Pres.that can perform".

    No where does she indicate about a impeachment about the Benghazi Issue?Please show an exact time and date on what you claim Roberta Anderson stated that Pres.Obama will be impeached on the Benghazi issue.

    Before you accuse me of needing glasses and having my eyes checked,and also say I'm losing it. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and get a hold of your self,because you have already lost it. Adding words to what Roberta Anderson said won't cut it.

  32. Sam, we might not have to wait for impeachment. It might be more appropriate to indict? Now Senator Reid is trying to add to the coverup by "refusing to allow" the Congressional investigations proceed without interference. We may have to do something about that senile old Senator, sooner or later. Obama seems extraordinarily naive if he things more coverup is going to clear this up. And who on the planet would take Harry Reid's word for anything? And Sam, I use reading glasses but still suffer a bit from dyslexia... I've posted a similar comment after another article, so maybe Carmine saw that.

  33. Sam, try my post on something about the INCONVENIENT TRUTH....

  34. So, Sam, if Benghazi is supposed to just go away, why is it necessary for Senator Harry to put his foot down and interfere? Even the liberal media will cover Senator Harry's sound bites on this. Who's not a crook?

  35. Roberta,
    Thank you for your response back to me.I do appreciate you doing so.It is quite possible that Carmine saw a similar comment posted on another article by you on Benghazi. As you have suggested that on your 6:20 PM post today to me.

  36. It was a mandate.

    If those people who did not vote really believed that Romney could change the course of events for them, for USA, and for the world, they would have voted. Romney however, failed to present a cogent plan enough to convince them, thus effectively supporting the argument that the status quo was better than the alternative.

    As they say, it is what it is.

    It behooves republicans to retool their communication approach. Conservatism has its merits when changes are taking place at a dizzying pace.

  37. Sad Teacher

    It was not a mandate. You're looking at the electoral college. EC is skewed in favor of dems. Hence Obama got 338. Like Obama, Romney won 13 states with 57 percent or more of popular vote. Yet for those states, the Governor got 108 electoral votes. Obama got 168. Romney won 24 states. He needed to win Florida, and at least 3 more swing states to get to 270. That means Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire. Do you know what the difference in votes were between Obama and Romney in those states? I'll tell you: About 330,000. That would have put Romney in the White House. Liberals should praise the EV up and down. It turns a squeaker election into a landslide.

    CarmineD

  38. Jeff,
    Very good I like that the 47 percent candidate.Gov.Romney never thought that the 47 percent of moochers and freeloaders he discribed in his secret video would be the number that he would end up with (47percent) of popular vote. Be careful cf what you say you could be on candid camera.

  39. Republicans don't need to change a thing. Voters need to wake up and all voters probably will by 2016. Our economy is diving downwards still. We may be in a worldwide nuclear war thank to O.'s ineptness as CIC. We will spend however long investigating his investigations that pretend he knew nothing--that's a worse problem. Knowing nothing adds to his ineptness and unsatisfactory performance as CIC. The surges into Afghanistan when we are unable to pay our bills is insane. A payroll tax holiday is insane. More "stimulus" spending is insane. And here we go on the same course as the last four years. IF we survive another four years, the RNC will be history.

  40. hardworker: Many, many conservatives are into compassion--but you'll never hear about it. You'll never know the details. However, I draw the line at adopting 15 million indigent illegals to drag down our welfare programs, our non-profit companies, our employment prospects, our government costs.

  41. Civics lesson for you who think Obama got a mandate. The GOPeoples' House control the government's purse strings. Don't ever forget it. Thank you very much American voters for your acumen in voting the GOP back in charge of the money.

    CarmineD

  42. Roslenda:

    WRT impeachment proceedings and consequences thereof, President Clinton lost forever his ability to practice law, his profession, as a result of Monica-gate: Lying and cover-up to the American people. No murders like the Benghazi massacre. Something to think about when CNN and MSNBC and their minnows scoff at House and Senate hearings and investigations into the President and his men [and women]. On a good note, at least these supposed news stations are covering the matter. Sadly, it took a Generals' sex scandal to do it.

    CarmineD

  43. Hey Carmine, do YOU think the Benghazi mess-up encourages the Palestinians etal to attack Israel? Ya think O. will do anything "fair" for our real allies. And to those who think foreign aide helps anyone, just look at how much support we've paid Egypt for. And where is that support?

  44. Carmine:

    "Lesson on Civics: GOPeoples' house controls the government purse strings...."

    So, why are you blaming Obama for our money problems? I do not understand.

    Carmine, what does lessons on Civics say about who to blame? Enlighten us, please?

    If in the next four years, we do go straight down that cliff, is it alright to blame those who hold the purse strings?

  45. "Hey Carmine, do YOU think the Benghazi mess-up encourages the Palestinians etal to attack Israel? Ya think O. will do anything "fair" for our real allies. And to those who think foreign aide helps anyone, just look at how much support we've paid Egypt for. And where is that support?"

    Roslenda:

    Our allies and enemies are laughing at us over Benghazi and the related Generals' scandal.

    Hamas in Palenstine attacked Israel before, during and after the Presidential election. The bombings did not receive much press.

    Israel must knock out the missiles in Gaza before it can attack Iran. Why? Once Israel does, the hundreds of thousands of missiles controlled by Hamas, in the Gaza, supplied bi Iran, will be unleashed against Israel. Hence, Israel's iron dome and attacks on Gaza will preempt this likelihood.

    The USA is in a bind. We support both Eqypt and Israel monetarily and militarily. Both their weaponry is primarily USA supplied. We've had peace with Eqypt, and Israel with Eqypt, for 40 years. If Eqypt, with the new Muslim brotherhood government, sides with Hamas/Iran it's a problem not just for Israel but the USA. The USA, with Obama in charge, will lilkely stay neutral, saying as it has that Israel has the right to defend itself. Israel has no choice. Win or lose it has to.

    WRT impeachment proceedings and their ourcomes, you can see several "narratives" emerging from the hearings. All conflated together. Interesting! Rice is being defended as having been a loyal soldier doing what she was asked without questioning. Petraeus is being criticized for giving two stories at different times. First the anti-Muslim prophet video story on Sept 14/15. Now the terrorist attack by Al Qaida. He'll be criticized for not setting the record straight when the Admin and its minnows lied, deceived, spun, misrepresneted the facts.

    President Obama? He gave the order: "Do what has to be done to save the Americans [massacred in Benghazi, Libya]." As well he must as Commander-in-Chief. Remember it went on for over 7 hours. So why didn't anything militarily happen? Why weren't the Americans, if not all, at least 2 saved? Only one unmanned predator drone was sent to provide real time imagery of the sacking of the Benghazi consulate and the massacre. A contingent of 8 troops too. 8 against 100 well armed and planned Libyan and Al Qaida terrorists? Really? There are 3 possible explanations and answers to my question. None are good for President and Sec Def Panetta. Eventually, like it or not Obama will have to testfy. Our military is good. Given the order they would have been there and likely the outcome would have been different than it was.

    CarmineD

  46. "So, why are you blaming Obama for our money problems? I do not understand.

    Carmine, what does lessons on Civics say about who to blame? Enlighten us, please?"

    President always shares the blame. He's in charge. The buck stops with him. But GOPeoples' House control the purse strings and is responsible too. Who gets more blame/credit remains to be seen. Time will tell.

    CarmineD

  47. BTW Roslenda: It wasn't the fog of war that tripped up this President and his minnows in Benghazi Libya as he and they said. It was the fog of the presidential election and politics. 4 American heroes murdered. Somebody is accountable for them.

    BTW, back to your question, I hear the morale among our military is at the lowest levels in years.

    CarmineD

  48. "You spend way too much time worrying about Clinton's briefs..."

    Jeffery:

    Clinton didn't.

    CarmineD