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Mon, Oct 1, 2012 (3:38 p.m.)

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Las Vegas Sun sports reporters Ray Brewer and Case Keefer dish on all things Las Vegas high school football again this week. Among the debates, other than the usual picks segment, are whether it's acceptable for an NFL player to introduce his high school alma mater instead of his college.

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  1. They had guys on MNF for a while saying their elementary schools because so many were saying high schools. It's easy to look up NFL's players college but it's kind of a fun home town throw out to say "Eldog" or "Gorman" etc..

    On the pizza talk I never go on the west side of town, but as far as east side goes to Big Mama & Papa's on Flamingo and Maryland for a big mama slice the size of your arm. Or if you're if your pizza budget is over $5 then Setebello's at The District in Henderson.

    You're right that you can't compliment GV enough and anything you call them short of the best and you'll be called "doubter". Green Valley is darn good. Elite? No. C'mon Keefer they're good. Definitely top ten, maybe even top 5 but elite is blowing teams like Basic and Coronado out not beating them in close games. I love what's going on at Green Valley they had a great year last year in a lot of sports and the scary part is that they will be better next year. They have a lot of things to cheer for and I'm rooting for them. Like I said they'll blow out Vegas and take second in NE and will have a rematch with Coronado or Basic (whichever one of those two take 3rd in SE). They're really good, they have the best student cheering section but they're not elite- yet. I agree with Ray that Green Valley may likely own the NE for a bit starting next season.

    I'm with Ray on GV being in just outside the second tier of top teams. Why? Yes they're very good and beat Basic and Coronado, but they did so in close games. I think Cent/Canyon/Palo wouldn't win by less than 2 td's over them. But GV will have a chance to make us eat crow when they play Canyon end of season.

  2. Green Valley is good, not top tier yet. They still have to play Canyon and Vegas will not just roll over.Liberty, Canyon, Palo, Arbor, Cent still top of the class. I didnt include Gorman, they are still by themselves in Nevada. Big games in Division 1A Moapa and Boulder for first place in Sunrise 1A and Cheyenne and Mojave for first place in Sunset 1A. Things are heating up.

  3. Vegas won't roll over but they'll get rolled over by a better team in GV is my prediction. Vegas has had maybe two of the best teams of the 2000's but the last 2-3 years theyve been over ranked due to dominating the worst division and their history. They're not bad. But they aren't top ten.

  4. I remember the Cimmeron Gorman game back in 2006. Nick Roades from Cimmeron was a beast. Cimmeron had the win until the flyin hawaian Keloa Antolin had an amazing kick return and Lavine kicks the 40 yard field goal with no time remaining to win the game.

  5. Keola was a beast, its nice to see Anu follow him up to AZ. Maybe Starks will up Murray at Oklahoma.

    For those that weren't around Cimarron Memorial was the team to beat in the 90's. Cim-Mem was to Vegas in the 90's what Palo has been in the decade except arguably they were more dominant as they won state twice and were runners up to McQueen I think twice.

  6. I certainly don't think anyone speaks of Liberty/Palo/Arbor as HSFB elite, just locally elite*.

    Gorman is very senior heavy this year, probably more than any of the last 4-5 years. But most everyone else in town is losing a lot too. Canyon, Palo; Liberty loses their top 3 players to graduation. Gorman will still have a good QB in Cunningham we just wont have a damn good QB like Any. But Anu was a very special player that I think will be a long time till we see that again. I think having a kid like Anu with composure and making such few mistakes will be hard to get used to not having. There's a good HS QB that any team would be happy to have, then there's a kid like Anu that just had that extra something.

    The line will be ok against local opponents, Starks, Cunningham, Nacua, Singer, Chambers, Nicco give us plenty to stay local favorite and new guys might prove better than expected.

    The national ride eventually goes down. It cycles. I truly thought that this season we would be a top 100 team between 50-100 not top 25. I was happy to be wrong. Next year staying top 200-250 would be a hell of an accomplishment after the 5 year run we've had.

    I'm excited for loaded young teams like GV and Canyon for next season. Without even looking at any other team right now i'd peg Gorman the pre-season favorite next year, although the days of tweets like "Next big game.. PALO #Playoffs." after finishing OOS games will be less likely. League games might still be mostly gimme's but playoffs likely wont.

    Open enrollment will be a few years in the working we should see that paying off for some publics too. It should be interesting. A five year run on the national stage, even for a private is a good run. There has to be a down in the cycle eventually but likely next year the local cycle will stay good for Gorman while national will likely drop.

    If i'm lucky on the fans that actually cheer at Gorman games will be left after we're not killing it on ESPN for a few.

  7. Coach Mac, we are talking about elite in the Las Vegas Valley. I know 2 lineman who may start next year for Gorman and they are big ,strong and good.
    So as long as they have that line they will be in business. With Starks and a few others returning they will be the favorites again. I do believe in a year or 2 someone will take them down. Liberty, Canyon, Green Valley, Mojave, Centennial and Arbor. These schools have a lot of good underclassmen who will be able to compete with Gorman in a year or 2, if they live in the weight room and do a lot of proper speed and quickness training. Gorman is stronger ,faster and quicker right now. But if these programs with the kids they have in place, commit 100% then they will have a chance to beat or at least compete with Gorman. Will Gorman stay a national power, I don't know.But a lot of people thought they would fall off this year and they didn't.

  8. I think you need both to be elite. I think players can make a program elite for the short run but coaches can make a program elite for the long run.
    That's why you see a school break out for one year then back to the bottom. They had talent and won games on talent only. The blocking was horrible, the line stood straight up, but they were just bigger and stronger then the other team. A coach can take a bad team and make them competitive.

  9. I think to be elite you have to have both. First you have to have a program not a team. A team that by luck lands a few D1 players wont last like a program with the same fortune. Elite locally, for Vegas? You need to have some talent but i'd say a structured, well coached program is the first key.

    You can take a team that has some D1 players without structure, discipline, good coaching or any type of actual program and they'll lose to a well organized, well coached group from a solid program. Doesn't work the same at a national level when you have teams with a dozen D1 players but locally if we're talking a couple of real playmakers aren't going to get very far if the rest of the team isn't well coached and on board against a team that is... imo.

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