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Dominance of Moapa and Gorman; who's No. 2: Liberty or Arbor View?

Mon, Oct 8, 2012 (2:29 p.m.)

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Las Vegas Sun sports reporters Ray Brewer and Case Keefer compare the run Moapa Valley is on in the Division 1-A to the one Bishop Gorman has put together this season in the upper decision. Other familiar arguments arise, including a debate on whether Arbor View should be considered as the second-best team in the state. Give us your thoughts in the comments.

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  1. Moapa is dominate but sportsarefun you are right, its possible for someone to beat them, it wont be easy, but possible.At this point in the season it doesnt look like anyone will , but there is a chance. I don't think anyone including Arbor and Liberty will come within 30 points of Gorman unless they call the dogs off.

  2. Keefer...Doxtator is certainly doing better than week 1 and even against a struggling team like Del Sol that's a ton of yards. Specially when you consider he lost his top receiver for the season. He also put up nearly 450 against your "top 10" Las Vegas the week before that -a big reason why I think Green Valley is going to tear Vegas a new one and hold them to few points.

    Ray, Arbor is the second best D in town. A very good D, and if Arbor had Liberty's offensive weapons we could call them Gorman Jr.

    I was close to putting Arbor at #2 this week due to Liberty's close losses and maybe Arbor would beat Liberty if they played but if we're talking about who has the best and only chance to beat Gorman it'd be Liberty not Arbor.

    We will get Palo vs Gorman in the semi this year followed by Gorman vs Arbor in the Sunset final.

    Much like it should be in order to earn a state title, Gorman will have to beat 3 top 10 teams in playoffs and 1 non top ten team (from north) to win state.

  3. Hey Coach-Mac: I must have missed your comment, but it caught the eye of our filtering system. No worries, man. Your still good in my book!

  4. Getting ready for Basic and Foothill in the Battle for Boulder Highway Thursday night. Then, I cross my fingers we get Palo-Gorman. I agree with tuasdad that it looks like that will be the semifinal matchup. Can't wait.

  5. Will there be any upsets in the playoffs this year or will the powers that be handle their business? I think Div 1 will go as everyone sees it, Div 1A, man oh man, might get crazy in the first round.

  6. Leaf... if Canyon isn't that good then beating them 8 td's to 2 td's isn't something to brag about.

    Canyon IS pretty good, maybe not the best but they're good and better than most teams. That's exactly why, even though it was just a scrimmage- beating them 8 tds- 2tds is a pretty big deal by Arbor View and they deserve credit where it is due. I heard about Arbor being more physical than Liberty and I salivate at seeing them play each other although that is highly unlikely to happen.

  7. leaflet... stop with that lie already. Arbor didnt manhandle Liberty. Ask the Aggies headcoach. Again, it was a scrimmage and nobody brags about scrimmages, BUT...Arbor View never scored once against Liberty. The Aggies did not score at all! Liberty ate up their double wing repeatedly. Liberty was way too physical for them and put 5 td's to their ZERO td's. So physical that they broke a kid's ankle in one play. Ever seen a foot turned completely in the opposite direction? Then an Arbor View cheap shot on Liberty's sideline got ugly. The Aggie's sideline cleared and came all the way across the field just to get rolled all over the field on their hands and knees. None of it is worth bragging about because this kind of stuff has no place in sports. But the day after there were tons of tweets and facebook posts from Aggie players talking a whole lot of trash about how they smashed the Patriots at their scrimmage. Liberty players were told that anyone who responded to that garbage would sit the bench at the Liberty vs Crespi game. Nobody is even bothering with that scrimmage any more but the lies are just annoying as hell!

  8. this Arbor / Liberty thing is getting like my fishing stories, each time my fish gets bigger and bigger, so do the stories about who won the scrimmage and by how much. They are both good teams. Canyon is a good team and proved it by playing good against Palo and Liberty. They lost, but played well. I'm a big homer but I can still judge teams objectively. Be fair in your comments and if you are a homer then say so pride, I do. But I also judge fairly. I wish Arbor and Liberty played this year but they dont. You Liberty and Arbor people better leave that scrimmage behind and start looking at whats in front of you. The season is not over and the playoffs are coming. The scrimmage isn't worth anything right now. And it will not help either of you in the playoffs. I will say again, Both teams are good, but stop fighting over second place and figure out a way to beat Gorman. Thats the real prize. Who is going to be the team in Nevada to beat the Gorilla. I say Gorilla because they are the 800 pound Gorilla in the room , everyone else so far has been the monkeys and chimps, they are the only silver back so far. Someone, some day has got to do it. Who will it be. Its going to take some real coaching and real playing. Who's up to the challenge...Arbor,Liberty,Palo,Canyon...who? Who on here has the solution.

  9. as i said... this scrimmage needs to be left as it is...just a scrimmage. dont know where you were or what you were watching shawn71 but i was there too watching on the sideline. get your facts right and then keep them to yourself cuz no one cares about a scrimmage in regular season. Arbor can be number 2 that's cool...Liberty is going after the number 1 spot. Would love to see a real game again between Liberty and Arbor but little if any chance of that happening because the Aggies cant beat Gorman. Sorry bout that...

  10. ok then...all this other stuff aside, since you brought it up, dont you think it would be something to beat Gorman? I actually like having Gorman play against all of us. As privileged and stacked as their program might be, they are NOT impossible to beat. Whether it's the Nevada state championship or just another regular season game, wouldnt you want to be the Nevada team that beats them in a regulation game against all odds? I know not too many folks see it that way but I think teams that really want to be the best have to beat the best. Cliche? Yes. But whether Gorman plays against public schools or not, they will continue being the best team in Nevada until someone beats them. I just dont see the reward in shooting for the number 2 spot. Gotta keep gunnin for that Nevada State Championship and the only consolation prize I would accept otherwise, if any, would be to have been the Nevada team that beat Gorman.

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