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UNLV run ragged by Fredette, BYU in conference opener, 89-77

Cougars senior guard snaps skid at the Mack, scores 39 points in resounding victory


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BYU’s Jimmer Fredette celebrates after dropping 39 on UNLV in the Thomas & Mack Center on Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2011. BYU won the game 89-77.


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BYU's Jimmer Fredette celebrates after dropping 39 on UNLV in the Thomas & Mack Center on Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2011.  BYU won the game 89-77. Launch slideshow »
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BYU POSTGAME: The Jimmer Fredette Show

Las Vegas Sun reporters Ryan Greene, Case Keefer and Ray Brewer discuss the UNLV basketball team's loss to BYU to open Mountain West Conference play. The Rebels were victimized by Cougars star guard Jimmer Fredette and friends, and now have plenty of questions to answer moving forward.

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Several opponents over the last few years have been victimized by an offensive onslaught from BYU senior guard Jimmer Fredette, and until Wednesday night, UNLV had defended him well enough to avoid being on that list.

Then Wednesday night unfolded.

After starting 1-of-7 from the floor, Fredette exploded for 39 points in leading No. 15 BYU to an 89-77 victory over No. 25 UNLV at the Thomas & Mack Center, which went in the books as the Cougars' first victory over the Rebels in Las Vegas since 2005.

In front of a wild crowd of 17,942, UNLV came out hot and led by as many as 10 points in the first half. But a visibly motivated Fredette could only be pinned down for so long.

Earlier in the week, UNLV's Tre'Von Willis, who has defended Fredette better than anyone in the Mountain West Conference over the past two seasons, turned some heads by calling the Cougars' star "supposedly the best player in the conference."

Fredette never fired back publicly before the game, but while hitting tough shot after tough shot to silence the crowd, he had words, glares and snarls on a few occasions for his rival.

"I did see it," Fredette said of the comment. "It's something you take in stride. I definitely saw it and was reminded of it."

Fredette scored in a variety of ways, hitting guarded threes from NBA range after lulling defenders to sleep and slipping through traffic for nice finishes at the bucket.

But that all came after UNLV (12-3 overall, 0-1 MWC) opened up strong, with a 13-0 run that was fueled by reserves Anthony Marshall, Justin Hawkins and Carlos Lopez. That spurt gave the Rebels a 25-15 lead.

Willis locked Fredette down defensively on the game's first few possessions, but as others switched and rotated onto the preseason MWC Player of the Year, he spotted a few weaknesses and scored 14 of the Cougars' final 23 points in the half, giving BYU (15-1, 1-0) a 38-35 halftime edge.

Then, much of the second half was a blur.

While Fredette kept going, senior backcourt partner Jackson Emery caught fire, scoring 22 points of his own. BYU also got solid contributions all night on the interior from sophomore Brandon Davies, putting UNLV in a hole as deep as 21 points while seizing control of the game's pace.

"We were stretched a little bit in the second half," UNLV coach Lon Kruger said. "It's one thing when Fredette is doing what he does and can do, and to have the support of Emery, and Davies did some good things for them early, I thought they played great."

Added Willis: "A couple of plays here and there, we were down eight, and a couple of plays from there, we lost all momentum. It kind of got out of control a little bit."

On the night, Fredette and Emery were a combined 13-of-22 from 3-point range and kept UNLV from truly threatening much in the second half.

The best chance the Rebels had to creep back in came with just under 14 minutes left to go, after Quintrell Thomas grabbed a defensive rebound as UNLV trailed by only 10 points.

Thomas was called for a technical foul after throwing an elbow at BYU's Logan Magnusson, which put Fredette at the free throw line, where he hit both tries. Then with the ball, Magnusson scored on a tip-in, and moments later, the UNLV bench was assessed with a technical foul. Fredette hit another charity, giving BYU a five-point swing right after UNLV had hopes of cutting its deficit to single digits.

Kruger said after the game that he wasn't quite sure what on the bench drew the technical call, but it was symbolic of an unraveled second-half showing from his team.

The Rebels were a respectable 7-of-19 from deep, but several of them came during a late run after the Cougars had relented on defense.

Willis was just 4-of-16 from the floor, and Chace Stanback's seemingly endless offensive slump continued. His 3-of-5 showing was efficient, but he was again having trouble getting looks at the bucket and pulling the trigger, essentially disappearing into the game's background.

The big men were good early on in the game but faded away from the radar as the Rebels relied more and more on outside shots to get back into it.

UNLV's lone bright spot on the night was the play of sophomore guard Marshall, who continuously pushed the ball into traffic and finished plays at the rim. He scored a career-high 26 points on 9-of-12 shooting, including a pair of treys. He also had three rebounds, three blocks, two rebounds and two steals.

"Maybe the ball was getting hung up on one side of the court, not getting swung and making the defense play everything," Willis summarized afterward. "If the defense has to guard one side of the floor, it's pretty easy. End of the game, our run, we were swinging it and attacking."

What Willis bemoaned the most after the game was the collective effort against Fredette.

His personal battle with the BYU senior is one that over the years he's taken immense pride in, and that pride was visibly hurt a bit as the game went on and Fredette became more and more demonstrative.

"I've been saying, he does a great job of changing speeds. That's why I get frustrated when us, as a group, put our hands down and just allow him to shoot the ball," he said. "I expect him to shoot it every single time. He's gonna get his attempts. That's no question. We just have to do a better job next time of getting a hand up and putting it in our minds that he's gonna shoot the ball."

The 0-1 hole in league play is nothing new for the Rebels, who faced a similar predicament a year ago following a 77-73 loss to the Cougars in Provo, Utah, to start the conference slate.

The big concern is that UNLV hasn't had a strong, clean, 40-minute performance in a win in roughly a month and still looks a long way away from the team that was riding a wave of momentum entering December.

"We've been talking about that for awhile," Willis said. "So we've just got to make our adjustments. We're gonna make adjustments; that's what we do every year, every season throughout the year. We'll make our adjustments, be ready for TCU (on Saturday)."

UNLV tips off against TCU at 7 p.m. Saturday at the Mack. The Horned Frogs (9-7, 0-1) lost their league opener at home Wednesday to No. 6 San Diego State, 66-53.

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  1. Pretty dissapointing showing by the Rebels last night and the last few weeks. After such a great start the Rebels have settled in to what they truly are. An above average, bubble team.

    It's another typical Lon Kruger team. One that plays hard, plays good defense (except for last night), but is mediocre offensively. It's the same thing every year with them. They have no inside game and no athletes to who can take it to the basket and finish and rely too much on their 3 point shooting.

    The roster is very mediocre also. No superstars on the team like Ferdette. Willis just isn't the same player he was last year, Stanback is playing like crap after such a great start, and Jasper is a decent rebounder but can't score to save his life. Our big men are absolute garbage. Lopez and Massamba are both worthless.

    Thomas was a waist of a recruit, the kid can't stay on the court because he can't stop fouling, has no post moves, and can't rebound. He totally killed UNLV's momentum last night when we still had a chance to get back into it. We had just scored two baskets to pull to within 10 and got a huge block on defense, got the ball back, got the crowd back into it and Thomas throws an elbow for no reason and gets a technical foul. Game over at that point, BYU hits their free throws, gets the ball back and UNLV never recovers.

    I doubt UNLV wins at BYU this year and will probably lose both to San Diego St because we don't have the athletes to contend with them. The Rebs will probably finish with around 7-8 losses and will be on the bubble again come selection time.

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  3. A little harsh mj but some good points as far as the offense. Throughout Kruger's tenure there is no doubt that offensively is where we tend to struggle. I do not think that our post players are garbage I just think that they are not utilized and thus have little confidence. Early in the game when Massamba got touches he was extremely effective and created some easy looks for others as well. Lopez caught the ball on the post a couple times and got to the basket or got fouled. I do agree that Thomas has been pretty worthless. To me until we start involving our bigs instead of just making them sceeners, our offense will continue to be stagnant and there are more nights like this. Very disappointing.

  4. Is it safe to say tha the rebels of old are back? Lets be honest...terrible senior year by Tre'Von. Yes, hit a few shots in the beginning but his turnovers cost many three's on the other end. His digusting shooting night also plagued us. Only bright side of this team is Anthony Marshall like I said weeks ago. UNLV has catapulted OUT of the rankings and will NEVER return this season. Bubblet team/NIT in my book. Done watching them. Sucks because it looked promising in the beginning but now we've hit rock bottom at 12-3 which is too many losses this early and SDSU is for sure next wednesday and UNM and Utah will handle us too. Its over. These guys walk around campus like loyalty and stars but they can't produce on the court. Punks. Can't support a team so egotistic but yet suck so bad. Get outa here rebs.

  5. I think Rebels finish the season 21-9. Two losses against SDSU, UNM, BYU (Again) and Utah once. Colorado State can bury us at least a time too but double digit losses would put kruger on the hot seat and players will begin transfering out. Rebels are a below average/average team...but not a 20-10 team. I swear, BYU better make the elite 8 after that performance last night, if not, they're a bust just like all the other Dave Rose teams.

  6. Embarrassing. Q Thomas- keep telling you guys- he is a joke. And what is up with Jasper- the guy can't use his left hand-ever. Has no capabilities of finishing at the hoop. And of course no one can shoot on this team. After watching that display, look for 4th or 5th place and an NIT bid.

  7. Gumby, I agree with you. When we play the weak teams on the schedule, we should be concentrating on the big guys down low so they can improve when we need them against better teams. Instead we jack up 3's all night long, something we already know they can do.

    We need to upgrage the talent level at center and power forward, but who wants to come and be a screener all game long.

    I agree Thomas' uncalled for bonehead play cost us the game last night.

  8. your whole town is a joke

  9. Tre'Von choked last night well at least now he knows how his girlfriend felt.


  10. Hats off to the Cougars. They took advantage of every opportunity. The fact that they had so many opportunities had a lot to do with the horrible officiating. Can someone please tell me why they have to put the game on hold for five minutes while someone from BYU fixes a contact. If the kid had rolled his ankle, he would have been taken out of the game. That was a total momentum killer and the beginning of when the game started to swing back to BYU. I definitely think, from Tre's comments about Fredette prior to the game, that as a team they were too big headed for this one. Hopefully they're pissed off and take this game back in Provo.

  11. Actually, what cost us the game is Jimmer Fredette. I know we all hate to say it but the guy is freaking amazing. He can score at will and that is simply that. In the beginning it felt like it was going to be another struggle for Jimmer but then he caught fire and it was all downhill from there. It also didn't help that whenever the rebels caught some momentum, the game was stopped because either someone was trying to figure out how to put a freakin contact in his eye or there was a foul call. The play from Jimmer and Emery in the game last night is what cost us the game. The cougars were simply better. Hard to choke down but true.

  12. We do in fact have a player that can take it to the basket. His name is Anthony Marshall. Good things happen when he drives and gets in there with the bigs. More Marshall!

  13. pdid... Agree totally... We were up by 10, 15 minutes in... Jimmer was 1-7... and then that contact lens BS occurs????

    I have never seen a game put on hold for what seemed like almost 5 minutes so a player can take care of his equipment... Anyone have any insight why that was allowed to happen by the refs... Injuries usually require a sub once the player is off the court, and in this case they were not even charged a timeout????? That cooled the Rebs down and they could not find it until about 5 minutes left....I really would like to know why that was allowed to happen? The officiating wasn't all that bad except that...

    Also anyone have any clue what the bench was T'd up for???? I actually thought it was on QT again because of how aggressive they were getting in the post on that possession...

  14. Also, I don't think we had too much problem scoring... We did hang 77 on them... And shot a little over 40%... That is not a bad showing... But when they are .500 from 3 point land on 14-28 where you have a kid shooting 3's blind folded from the Cox Pavilion and still hitting them, it is going to be a hard earned victory...

  15. The bottom line is that if BYU (meaning Jimmer and Jackson Emery) are going to go 14-28 from 3-point range it really doesn't matter what we do because we are going to lose. Just the same way if we were to go 14-28 from 3-point range we would be beat just about anyone. The problem is that our confidence is so low to the point where it is impossible to imagine us shooting that well.

    I'm just starting to question Lon's substitution patterns. There were long periods of the game after we got the 10 point lead that we completely went away from what got us there. He became so consumed with stopping Jimmer that he forgot that we need people on the court who can score and rebound. I really like Justin Hawkins defense but he can't score to save his life. Massamba was our only effective big last night and he disappeared for a long stretch of time. Also, I'm not even sure Oscar even got out of the locker room. He was invisible last night. Right now Tre is a shell of what he was last year and for having so many upperclassmen, we don't have anyone on the court who displays any leadership when things aren't going well.

    Just like Ryan says, there is no need to panic because of the way BYU shot the ball but we need to snap out of this funk ASAP since we go to San Diego next Wednesday.

  16. The Cougars weren't "better;" they are a two-man team with three space fillers. Even their bench has nothing. That's why UNLV has been able to beat them consistently; it's all about holding back Fredette, who may be the best shooter in the nation. But UNLV's points come from across the board, which is a good balance.

    Momentum was sucked from UNLV by the poor officiating in the game. I'm not going to take anything away from BYU's senior guards, nor make excuses for UNLV's weak foul shooting or weak protection of the ball, but the officials lost control of the game. For what it's worth, that no-contact "elbow swing," a result of the BYU player hanging on AFTER the whistle, was legal until a couple years ago. The new rules have allowed that kind of mental gamesmanship (don't tell me that BYU player didn't realize he was holding on after the whistle...) and limited the physicality. Take a look at reels from 1989-1991 -- when UNLV had the best college team in history -- and you'll see plenty of rebound "clearing out" like that.

    Ever wonder why you see so many jump balls these days? Because the new rules emasculate the play and a crowded rebounder basically has to cradle and protect the ball like a new mommy.

    It's a long season, and I was born a Rebel. Go UNLV!

  17. I think this team needs to get back to using Stanback as the focus of the offense. Since Tre' got back to taking significant minutes the offense hasn't been as efficient and the ball stops a lot. When Chace was running the show the ball was moving all over the place and guys got better looks. The fact that Chace Stanback only attempted 5 shots and Tre'von attempted 16 shows who runs this team right now. Tre'von still thinks he is the player he was last year but he simply isn't healthy and he doesn't need to be that player. He should have just focused on his defense rather than trying to stay point for point with Jimmer.

    I think this butt kicking might do our team well. They need to realize they can't just show up at the T&M with UNLV on their jersey and expect to win every game. They weren't disciplined at all last night and were forced out of their game by a team that attacked them. UNLV needs to get back to attacking the rim and attacking on defense and playing as a team.

  18. yea yea ....the refs robbed the game from us....we shouda won...yea we are the best....better than duke....we rock.

  19. Tough loss, and I can't understand some of you who did not see the massive improvement of our bigs last night. Massamba had 10 points and looked better than I had ever seen him. Lopez had 10 points which is rare and a definite improvement. Fredette just couldn't miss. It's hard to stop ANY team that shoots 50% 3pt. We did the same thing to them last year and shot over 50%. I thought UNLV played extremely well last night, but like I said, Fredette couldn't miss later in the game and Emery was on fire. The sky is not falling. Marshall had a career day, which was the most surprising thing I have seen all year.

  20. "I think this team needs to get back to using Stanback as the focus of the offense. Since Tre' got back to taking significant minutes the offense hasn't been as efficient and the ball stops a lot. When Chace was running the show the ball was moving all over the place and guys got better looks."

    Absolutely. I think there is some sympathy coaching going on, which as a human being I understand. What do you do: Pull the senior? Tark would have; we had plenty of seniors on the bench back in the day. But that was back when seniors stayed in school and on the team. But facts are facts, and UNLV was a better team -- a great team -- earlier in the season.

  21. I think teams have been paying extra attention to Chase when he has the ball. We definitely need to run more plays to set him up, instead of hoping he creates some space off the dribble.

  22. First post..

    Couple of things, I really believe the starting lineup neeeds to be addressed. We were clearly a better basketball team early in the season when Anthony Marshall was starting. We were moving the ball better, playing better defense, quicker to the ball, all the intangibles. I believe Marshall is probably our best player on offense, and is very difficult to defend. He also is a very good passer, and will find guys open (remember the Kansas State game). Willis is improving, but I believe he's still not totally the player he was last year, and he's forcing shots and were suffering as a team.

    In the last few games, when we substituted in Marshall, Hawkins and Lopez, we clearly played better and were energized. We were 10 points up last nite when those guys were on the floor, and as soon as the starters came back in we started losing momentum. In the second half last nite, same story. the starters started off slow, then marshall and hawkins come in and things start to turn around for the better.

    Also, Derek and Chase are very similar players, and I don't know the value of having both of them in the starting lineup especially when Chase isn't shooting the ball efffectively.

    Lastly, I have never liked the rotating centers. We used to do that with two centers, now we have 3 of them being rotated in an out. Very hard for any of them to get into a flow and get some consistency. Quintrell just doesn't seem to have it and I would concentrate on Massamba and Lopez and have them share the position.

    Must give credit to Fredette though. He's an assassin on the court. Thanks Willis for stirring the pot and getting him pissed !!! He certainly didn't need any more motivation.

  23. Mr. Fasano, I have definitely noticed the improved play of Massamba this year. Last year, he was a necessary space filler, and I cringed every time he touched the ball. Not this year. He's improved and improving.

  24. Tre'Von Willis is all hat and no cattle, lots of talk, but no walk. The officiating didn't stomp UNLV, the Cougars did.

  25. "Tre'Von Willis is all hat and no cattle, lots of talk, but no walk. The officiating didn't stomp UNLV, the Cougars did."

    You call 12 points a stomp? Please.

    Your one-comment history tells the story.

  26. UNLV could have used Matt Shaw and Kendell Wallace last night.

  27. We can't play the games. We can go to the games and cheer our hearts out, but that's it. Perhaps a few boosters have enough clout to actually make an impact on the team critically, but the rest of us can't do anything and shouldn't be able to.

    WE have to accept the results win or lose and move on. I love the Rebels like no other and as a life long resident they are my only "team". But calling out kids and coaches is the equivalent of barking about politics on AM radio. Neither of which have any real impact.

    Go Rebels!

  28. The bottom line is that if Jimmer and Emery shoot like they did last night (the two of them combined for 13-22 from 3's 59%) we will not beat them. If only one of them was on fire last night it would have been a close game and we probably would have won. But with both of them shooting it like they did, we will lose every time.

  29. The bottom line to last nights game was BYU's stars showed up and produced at a higher level than what we had. The bigs (particularly Brice and Carlos) actually had an admirable performance, particularly in the first half. Hopefully they can play like that on a much more consistant basis. I'll believe it when I see it, but here's hoping.

    Chace has to get it going offensively. I don't know why he is in a funk (I guess lack of confidence), but he needs to get out of it and fast. If he had played similiar to earlier in the season the game would have been much closer, or the Rebs may have been able to pull it out. We needed more firepower to counter their shooting performance and didn't get it.

    As for Tre, while I agree with those who would like to see him moved back to the bench into a 6th man role, I just don't see Kruger doing that. He is going to have to play very poorly over a decent stretch of games for that to happen.

    The tough part to last night's game was it was at home. A lot of basketball to be played, but as I have felt for some time I still think this is a 5-6 loss team in conference which will equate to another 7-9 seed in the tournament. Last night obviously did nothing to change that.

    Thankfully a team of TCU's caliber is coming to town at the right time and hopefully serve as a confidence booster for the team.

  30. "But calling out kids and coaches is the equivalent of barking about politics on AM radio. Neither of which have any real impact."

    Not really. The discussion about the game is part of the love for the game and the team. Without the super fans like us discussing it, what you are left with is a bunch of folks leaving the T&M 8 minutes before the end of the game.

  31. My wife and I are UNLV students and this was the first BBall game we went to, to cheer our team. Afterward, my wife wished she wasn't a UNLV student. Not because of the loss but because how vulgar and disgusting all of the fans were to the opposing team. I have been to intense games before but honestly for how rude the fans are, UNLV deserves to lose every game this season.

  32. A couple of you commented on Anthony Marshall (sorry I don't have time to go back and credit your names right now). I totally agree that great things happen to our team with him in. Whether a starter or as an energizer off the bench, I think he is a key. Now I don't know if he needs increased minutes and/or touches, but I definitely think he isn't being used to his full potential.

    I wish I could watch practice and see exactly how much time is dedicated to free throws. Is it just me, or could everyone else predict the outcome of each free throw we took last night? No team that shoots free throws like that deserves a tournament bid.

  33. First off, you were sitting in the student section. Hello? What did you expect? They're college kids. Did you think that they were going to throw out the welcome mat for our most hated rival. Get off your high horse....where do you think you live? Utah?

    However, I will say this: They are 'usually' that vulgar for only the annual game against byu. But to say that the players deserve to lose because the fans are rude in the 'one' game you've been to is extremely ignorant and childish. If you don't like it, don't go. One game a year and probably don't even know who the head coach is.....we won't miss you. Everyone here knows you're not a fan.

  34. Although I don't wish ill will on our players, I feel the pain of workinghardinus. I think its a shame that some of our fans behave the way they do by taunting and making religious insults at BYU supporters and players. It is low class and embarrassing to be associated with some of these a-holes. I know it can go both ways but it is no excuse.

  35. Obviously a few people on here haven't been to Provo or the Pit for a basketball game...

  36. "Obviously a few people on here haven't been to Provo or the Pit for a basketball game..."

    No kidding. Poor, offended sensibilities. Wah!

    This is a sports rivalry, not a church bake off. Further, there has always been a historical rivalry between Utah and Nevada. Remember when the LDS church sent missionaries to the Las Vegas area, and they had to abandon their posts and run back to Salt Lake because the environment was too harsh? They haven't quite gotten over the fact that Nevada Mormons survived here by serving miners -- who weren't exactly known as pious -- and making loans to gamblers, and we haven't quite gotten over the fact that the most outlaw state in the country has a religious power structure.

    A rivalry! Get over it.

  37. @ workinghardinus: Whatever you do, don't go to the UNR-UNLV football games. You might have a heart attack! As a teacher and parent, I can understand not liking all the vulgarity surrounding a child. But obviously the solution is simple. Stay home or sit far away from the student section. You may not even want to watch it on TV, because it is hard to not hear 17,000 fans disagree with the refs (in unison). However, since you didn't mention a child, I'd have to agree with FastCamron. Sounds like you are on a mighty high horse!

  38. The result was as expected. Always been losers...always will be. Too bad, so sad.

  39. Was it expected the previous 8 times we played byu here? Brain damage.....

  40. First, the officiating was horrendous & woefully inconsistent. The refs should never impact a game like they did last night especially one of that magnitude. 1st half each team had 5 fouls with 5 min left...2nd half both teams were in the bonus and/or double bonus with 13min left. One half they let them play the other they whistle everything & it wasnt as if they were losing control of the game or that it was getting chippy. The referees just suck & were out of their league & they knew it. The first tech there wasnt even any contact...give'em a warning & play on. The 2nd tech on the Rebels bench was ALL ego & insecurity and completely needless & wrong. 2nd rate referees always feel the need to interject themselves into the game...and I would say expediting a 9pt swing in a 10pt game is the definiton of that!

    Second, having said that...the Rebels still lose. You cant shoot 37% from the field & 44% from the line in the 1st half and expect to beat a top 25 team. Plus Fredette was hot & Emery had the game of his life...they combined for 61 of their pts & we needed somebody to answer their shooting & the reality is we dont have anybody who can consistently do it. That is why losing Shaw & Wallace is so crushing. Its not as if we are forcing bad shots...we just miss open ones. Those two, alone, raise our 3pt % ten pts minimum. Thats big...real big. But it is what it is so we better get used to it.

  41. We missed a lot of lay-ups. Fredette through in a lot of off balance threes. Thats the way it goes sometimes. I'm not concerned about this team. I think they will return the favor in Provo, and then thump them in the tourney if SDSU doesn't do it first. They have big holes on defense, I mean massamba owned the paint when he had the ball.

  42. First, congratulations to BYU they have a great team and a tremendous player in Fredette. I have to commend the outstanding game plan by Dave Rose, which apparently Coach K had no answer for. In previous meetings, BYU ran full sets at the half court passing at least 3 or 4 times before shooting. This played to UNLV's strength and increased the opportunities for turnovers. This game, BYU was looking for quick baskets, sometimes not passing at all, limiting turnover possibilities. Rose out-coached Kruger big time.
    Also, I think someone should consider moving Marshall to start over Stanback. I don't know but Chace is really struggling, not only with the shooting, but defensively as well. A lot of standing around and watchiong. I hate to criticise the young man but it seemed like whenever he came out of the game, UNLV's energy picked up and we closed the gap or went on a run. When he returned, we got ripped. I'm thinking even Tre should be coming off the bench for awhile until they can figure out what's wrong. We really haven't had a solid game since Ill St. This team is reminding me more and more of 2008-09, I'm sorry to say...

  43. I think it's time to face the music and realize this is just an average team at best. Let's face it, although we do have talent, a majority of our key players are other team's leftovers. By some of the play we've been seeing lately, it's probably the reason they couldn't get on the floor at their original schools in the first place. It's time for Kruger to start bringing in his own talent, if he's capable of it.

    Now about the game last night. Is it illegal to run a triangle and two or box and one in college basketball? Everybody watching the game last night new either Fredette or Emery was going to take the shot. Why didn't we make adjustments and have somebody mirroring them the whole game. It's also apparent our man to man defense isn't as good as people think "notice all the open shots teams are getting on us." Offensively we have no identity at all. We struggle to shoot from the outside and we are mostly invisible in the post. The thing it still boils down to though, is coaching and making adjustments and it seems like this staff isn't getting the best effort out of these players. Now, I'm not giving up on this season by any means, but if we don't get our act together soon it will be another disappointing end to what was a promising season.

  44. Liljoe,

    Your analysis of Rose's game plan is spot on. A gold star for you. Hopefully Kruger can come with something equally effective next time around.

  45. "a majority of our key players are other team's leftovers"

    And that's exactly how Tark built the winning program before. And?

  46. The things I think people seem to forget about Quintrell are 1)he didn't play many minutes at Kansas and sat out last year so and a sophomore so still trying to find his game. 2)He is naturally a power forward not a center. I would like to see more of him in there with one of the other bigs. I would like to see Bellfield, Marshall, Jasper, Thomas, and Massamba a little. Marshall and Jasper can slash and dump to the bigs and lead to easy buckets or fouls on the other team. Plus against SDSU they may need to play 2 bigs at sometimes. But then again, that's probably why I don't get paid to coach

  47. I turned the game off with 12 minutes, it was too painful watch. What happened to the team that opened games with full court pressure. Why the lack of press? It was working and turnovers were committed....Reb's are playing soft, it's embarssing how they can't fininsh at the rim. I can't believe they only lost by 12, it felt like 30. I have to give credit to Ferdette, kid plays with heart.

  48. It is amazing how many doomsayers follow Rebel BB. To me, the following impacted why we lost: 1) Refs did not bring their "A" game. Lots of missed calls that were generic and they exhibited no control over the game and that is what led to Thomas' T & the cool down of Reb's hot start while Emery was looking to re-install his contact; 2) What I saw at the game was Fredette knocking down shots while be well defensed...Emery did have some unattended good looks at 3's; 3)We were careless with simple layups and passes when there was no need to be - against a quality opponent you cannot play so loose when on offense.
    All this crap about Kruger can't coach or can't recruit is just that - crap! If your looking for those type of coaches you should have seen Bayer and Massamino.

  49. "Not really. The discussion about the game is part of the love for the game and the team. Without the super fans like us discussing it, what you are left with is a bunch of folks leaving the T&M 8 minutes before the end of the game."

    I like discussing the games. I'm talking about calling kids out or calling for the coaches head after every loss/off night. I make it to at least 10 homes games a year and I stayed until the end on Wednesday. I just hate to see people take the outcomes of these games so personally and then in turn lash out at the people for whom we are supposed to be cheering.