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I see posts claiming "liberals this and liberals that" all the time so would somebody care to tell me whether, in his opinion, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were liberals, moderates or conservatives?

Ditto for Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama bin Ladin.

(Suggest removal) 11/2/09 at 11:47 a.m.

And the most important men in town would come to fawn on me!
They would ask me to advise them,
Like a Solomon the Wise.
"If you please, Reb Tevye..."
"Pardon me, Reb Tevye..."
Posing problems that would cross a rabbi's eyes!
Yar di da da, yar di da da, yar da da da

And it won't make one bit of difference if I answer right or wrong.
When you're rich, they think you really know!

- "If I Were A Rich Man" (A Fiddler on the Roof)

(Suggest removal) 11/2/09 at 6:46 a.m.

destruct_mutt:

Re: how are they going to enforce the "must have" insurance requirement.

A most pertinent question but never underestimate the Congress when it comes to thoughtlessness and stupidity which you and I eventually end up paying for.

(Suggest removal) 11/1/09 at 11:41 a.m.

GhostCommander:

Facts and objectivity only matter to those who value them. Judging from the reaction of one poster to my numbers (who has questioned them but has not bothered to present any facts of his own) his position seems to be "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" and the corporations take full advantage of that mentality.

The irony is that many of those who hold such adamant views one day find themselves without a job, with a pre-existing condition or something their insurance company decides not to pay for (the rate is one of the highest in California according to several reports such as http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/20... ) at which time they face financial disaster and even bankruptcy and their very own words come back and haunt them. Even among those who manage to avoid such misfortunes, I doubt how many choose to voluntarily turn down the "government-run" Medicare when their own time comes.

Which only goes to prove the truth behind the statement by Florynce R. Kennedy, "There can be no really pervasive system of oppression . . . without the consent of the oppressed."

But not to worry. Although this Congress is going to deliver an even worse health care system than the one already exists (it is actually possible, believe me) still some day universal health care will come to America like the rest of the civilized world because, as Winston Churchill had said, "The Americans will always do the right thing... After they've exhausted all the alternatives."

(Suggest removal) 11/1/09 at 10:40 a.m.

Since the previous poster chose to mention Cuba, here are some comparative statistics on public health between the U.S., France and Cuba for the benefit of those who care for facts:
Source: World Health Organization (http://www.who.int/countries/en/)

U.S.
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 75/80
Healthy life expectancy at birth m/f (years, 2003): 67/71
Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births): 8
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population): 137/80
Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2006): 6,714
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2006): 15.3

France:
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 77/84
Healthy life expectancy at birth m/f (years, 2003): 69/75
Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births): 5
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population): 124/57
Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2006): 3,554
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2006): 11.1

Cuba
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 76/80
Healthy life expectancy at birth m/f (years, 2003): 67/70
Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births): 7
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population): 127/82
Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2006): 363
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2006): 7.1

(Suggest removal) 11/1/09 at 8:30 a.m.

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