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April 18, 2015

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Letter to the editor:

Releasing returns would end debate

The Republicans had a field day over the “birther” issue. It seems like every day, for several years, the cry was for President Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate. Some conservatives are still not satisfied, even though it has been shown to be accurate by Hawaii.

The Democrats now have their own issue. This time it is thrown at Mitt Romney: Show your tax returns. Sen. Harry Reid has added fuel to the fire by implying that Romney did not pay taxes over a 10-year period.

Republicans say the claim lacks evidence. A Romney spokesman said Reid’s charge was baseless and below the belt. That might be accurate because the Republicans know what being baseless and below the belt is all about. They have mastered the art.

Reid’s claim can easily be dismissed. Simply show the returns. What is there to hide?

If Reid’s claims are false, Romney has a golden opportunity to make Reid look pretty silly.

There was another Harry, Harry Truman, who once said the “buck stops here.” Well, Mr. Romney, here’s your chance to show this Harry up and show him that the “buck stops here.”

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  1. So the idiotic behavior by one group means the other can be just as idiotic?

    This is just one more reason why I am voting "None of the above" instead of for a bunch of 3rd graders.

  2. "Implying?" That's what Blanner thinks Harry the Red did? He out & out stated it as a fact even though he said he had no proof. However, Blanner is right about one thing - Mitt should end this non-issue by releasing the info. This is but another way Dumbocrats are desperate to change the subject from Osama Obama's abysmal record on the economy, deficit and spending. Osama Obama was and remains unfit by experience to sit in the Oval Office. "White guilt & black pride" will not be enough this time around to keep him there. Come this November, vote Mitt!

  3. Forget about the tax returns already. Romney's damaged himself pretty well just by dodging basic questions about them.

    I say it's time to hire a private investigator to find the "detailed plans" Romney keeps saying he has, but are NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

    Seriously, do we need to hire a search party? Did he leave them behind on his disastrous 3-nation world tour?

    The man hasn't laid out a single detailed economic plan, just vague promises. Aren't his supporters at least a little curious about what his actual agenda will be once in office?

    Why won't the Romney Zombies ask for details?

    Do they fear there's nothing behind the curtain?

  4. I adhere to the belief if you have nothing to hide, then you will hide nothing. Gov Romney should have released more than his two most recent years' tax returns long ago. Just as his father said and did. I opine there is little of substance in any/all the returns except that he is a very rich and successful man who paid alot of taxes to Uncle. If not, IRS would have made sure he already did. Just like it is doing with Warren Buffett.

    WRT Senator Harry and his comments on the matter on the floor of the Senate, it's a new low for him and politics. Harry has never released his returns when asked. He has owned a $1 MILLION suite at Watergate in Wash DC for years. He claims hard work and good investments allowed it. Really? Prove it, Harry show us your returns. The word is out that you are a corrupt, greedy, self-serving money grabbing politician. Prove otherwise.

    Harry has a huge target on his back now. It's just a matter of time. He's finished politically. He crossed the line and he and everyone in politics know it.


  5. Mitt Romney would like to tell us who he is and leave it at that. The fact that his current views seem to conflict with ones he's held in the past leaves many mystified about the man. He only adds to the mystery by refusing to release more tax returns. If Mitt wants us to trust him to be Commander-in-Chief, he'll have to trust voters ability to judge him based on facts other than his own self-assessment.

  6. When you ask Romney a specific question, he always seems to have a non-specific answer, a deflection, or a blatant lie. Pinning him down on anything is pretty much guaranteed that you won't get anywhere to know anything specific about him.

    You ask him about the economy, he don't answer, but points at some 59 point paper on his website and he urges people to go there and read it.

    As it turns out, I don't have to read it. Non-biased sources have read it and are scratching their heads. Because none of it works. Except to give more tax breaks/subsidies to the rich, while at the same time making everyone else pay for it.

    Now, it's his tax returns. Romney says he pays taxes. He says you need to believe him. He says he don't have to release them.

    Going all the way back to 1994 and subsequently later when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts, he never releases his tax returns.

    Why is that?

    It's because he has something to hide.

    Because he will be revealed to be the tax cheat he is.

    By not releasing them, he declares there is no transparency to anything he says or does. No fairness.

    Don't get me wrong. Politicians lie. But blatantly like this? We're supposed to soak in this malarky and still vote for him?

    I don't think so. The American voters out here all cannot develop collective Romnesia.

    Romney is toast. He will be crushed on November 6, 2012.

  7. What president or presidential candidate held Swiss and offshore accounts? In all the years Romney ran for office he never turned over his tax returns but would challenge his opponents to show their own. Ann Romney said, "We've given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and how we live our life." Does "let them eat cake" sound familiar?

    Romney knew for years this tax issue would remain a problem and has done nothing to resolve it. It was a problem when he ran for the Senate in 1994, again when he ran for governor in 2002, and to date has released only 2010 and 2011. What is he hiding?

    We've had Bank of America laundering drug cartel money and Barclay's minipulating loan rates, what's to stop Mitt Romney from participating in such programs? We'll never know if he doesn't release his forms.

    Mr. Blanner noted the squealing birthers and there are those accusing our president of undermining the government because he is a secret Muslim, but the shoe on the other foot bends these people completely out of shape.

  8. Flip - I like mandates. The mandates work.
    Flop - I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.

    Flip - I will work and fight for stem cell research.
    Flop - In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.

    Flip - I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.
    Flop - There's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.

    Flip - I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose.
    Flop - I never really called myself pro-choice.

    Flip - I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.
    Flop - I did not see it with my own eyes.

    Flip - I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.
    Flop - Roe v. Wade has gone too far.

    Flip - It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.
    Flop - I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.

    Romney was for a Path To Citizenship, then against it.

    Flip - Romney refused to take a position on Bush's massive, 10-year tax cut plan." (Boston Herald 4/11/03)
    FLOP - McCain opposed President Bush's tax cuts, Romney noted. 'I supported them,' the former governor said."

    Flip - Cited his support for the assault rifle ban and the Brady gun control law. 'That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA,' he said. 'I don't line up with a lot of special interest groups.'" (Boston Herald, 9/23/94
    Flop - "I'm after the NRA's endorsement. I'm not sure they'll give it to me. I hope they will. I also joined because if I'm going to ask for their endorsement, they're going to ask for mine.'" (The Associated Press, 4/5/07)

    Flip - "I concur that climate change is beginning to have an effect on our natural resources and that now is the time to take action" (Boston Herald, 7/24/03)
    Flop - Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore." (Romney For President, Press Release, 2/23/07)

    FLIP - In 1994 Romney called President Bill Clinton's 'don't ask, don't tell' military policy 'the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation's military.'"
    FLOP - Romney defended his policy switch on gays in the military. He said when he first heard the phrase 'don't ask, don't tell,' he thought it was 'kind of a silly phrase that didn't make a lot of sense.'

    FLIP - When a 2002 Constitutional Amendment was proposed to ban same-sex marriage, Romney opposed it.
    Flop - Romney joined petition backers in a State House press event to urge the Legislature to pass the Protection of Marriage Amendment.

  9. The cavalry has arrived to help Romney.

    First Senator Graham, then Reince Preibus have called Senator Reid a liar.

    Next is for Romney to show up on Fox News to get Hannitized.

    Not gonna work though. The pressure is being amped up right now. You can run, Romney, but you can't hide.

    No tax returns?

    No votes.

    It's as simple as that.

    Cough 'em up, Romney.

  10. You can't make this stuff up. Birth certificates, tax returns. Next thing you know, we'll be asking about foreign policy experience.

  11. If Mitt Romney wants to end this charade all he has to do is produce his taxes like his father before him did.He has to be hiding something or he would have done it long ago.Don't blame Sen.Harry Reid for saying Gov.Romney paid no taxes for ten years,he may know something we don't know.Show us the money.

  12. "What president or presidential candidate held Swiss and offshore accounts?"

    Mr. Branco:

    It's a bogus question as an argument. Why? Who as president was a Mormon? There always has to be a first. Just like President Obama.


  13. "Don't blame Sen.Harry Reid for saying Gov.Romney paid no taxes for ten years,he may know something we don't know"

    Mr. Pizzo:

    Read his actual comments. He says in no uncertain terms that he doesn't know if it is true. That's the reason he will not divulge his source, if there is even is one. It's dirty politics under the veil of legitimacy because it was conducted on the Senate floor. Only serves to impugn and demean the conduct of doing the peoples' business. If Harry wants to do something of value for the American people, he should pass a budget. Harry and the Senate hasn't since 2009.


  14. "Foreign policy experience.? "

    He got Waesa's endorsement for President. Remember Lech Waesa? The Polish politician. Trade-union organizer, and human-rights activist. A charismatic leader, who co-founded Solidarity, the Soviet bloc's first independent trade union, and won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983, and served as President of Poland between 1990 and 1995.

    Why? Remember Obama's open mic gaffe with Medvedev? It was a double cross by Obama of the US defense alliance with Poland against Russia. Liberal media gave the president a huge pass on it. Never covered it.


  15. Carmine,"He says in no uncertain terms that he dosen't know if it is True",(Sen. Harry Reid).

    All the more reason Gov. Romney should produce his tax returns and clear this matter up.Then we can move on and discuss the real issues concerning our country,simple.

  16. Mr. Pizzo:

    I agree Gov Romney should have. But that is no excuse for Harry's despicable behavior on the Floor of the Senate.

    "The word is out Mr. Pizzo that you are the biggest dummy on the Sun blog. And have been for as long as you have been posting here. I don't know if it is true. It may not be for all I know. If it isn't Mr. Pizzo, release your IQ score, college transcripts, and college board scores so we know the truth."

    The above is called slander and defamation of character. And Harry did it on the Floor of the Senate.


  17. It goes without saying, or should, that I don't believe what I wrote about you Mr. Pizzo. And I apologize to you and others if it appears in any way that I do. I used the excerpt as an illustrative example of what Harry said and did about Gov Romney's reputation and character using the same words and langauge he did.


  18. Carmine,Useing me as a example is a cheap shot.You of all people should not take this little hobby we all have as commenters so seriously.

  19. Here's what Harry said Mr. Pizzo:

    "The word is out that you didn't pay any taxes for 10 years."

    "Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain,"

    Doesn't feel good when it's personal does it Mr. Pizzo? That's why it's called slander and defamation of character. There is no defense against it. Except a civil lawsuit. Is it worth it?

    It shows that Harry has no sense of moral decency. No ethics.

    You're personally offended and I apologized to you and others and explained the context of my comments and reasoning. It was to make a point.

    Harry didn't apologize. Should!

    Imagine how Romney and his friends and family feel? Now you can.


  20. Mr. Pizzo:

    Slander and defamation of character is a very serious offense. And should be taken so. Harry of all people should know this.


  21. Carmine,like I said useing me for an example was a cheap shot. Changing the subject of what you said does not change anything.We all can get our point across without name calling or personal attacks.One last thing you and I are not running for any political office,so we are not subject to public scrutiny.

  22. My sincere apologies Mr. Pizzo. I'm very sorry for offending you.


  23. "One last thing you and I are not running for any political office,so we are not subject to public scrutiny."

    Disagree. Once we both post on a public forum, we are subject to public scrutiny by all those who do.


  24. Carmine,"I used the excerpt as an Illustrative example". If I may suggest when using a Illustrative example, try using your own name,or a member of your own family. I'm not running for any political office.

  25. Carmine, I do except your apology.

  26. Carmine: sometimes you let your mouth run before your brain is involved. Your words indicate that it would be okay with you to elect a possible tax cheat to be President of the United States. Why won't you insist that Romney provide his past Taxes. I am sure you would agree that there must be a more significant reason than what has been given for not proving to the American People that he is in deed fit to be our Leader. You must also know that whatever Senator Harry Reid said on the floor of the Senate is not subject to libel. If that was possible, don't you know Romney would have filed for legal action a long time ago? The law suit would include several of the other Republican Presidential candidates that talked about this problem during the primaries.

    Your hatred for President Obama has caused you to close your mind to common sense. Name one other President that could have hidden money in an off shore accounts and known tax havens and you would still be willing to have serve as President of the United States. There is something wrong with this picture.
    Let's hope the truth will emerge before you and others like you have cause to regret that you refused to open your eyes. If nothing is found out of order, he would probably win "hands down". Let the best man win based on issues and policy, but not on someone refusing to show that his money is not tainted or just might come from a foreign country.

  27. "Carmine: sometimes you let your mouth run before your brain is involved.."

    No, Mr. Warrick, it just appears that way because I think so quickly you can't keep up with me.

    The WH today, through Jay Carney, distanced itself from Reid's comments. When questioned further about his comments today in Las Vegas, Harry became agitated. He knows the tide of public and political opinion has turned against him on the issue as well as his key allies.

    WRT Romney suing, he won't. It's an exercise in futility. And as a Mormon, Romney won't bring the negative publicity, sure to follow by the media, on the religion with legal infighting. Not with the religion finally having a chance at national importance with a possible presidency win.

    I opine that Congress will take actions to preempt its members from future such character assassinations in the chambers. It will be called the Reid Rule in Harry's ignominious honor.


  28. WRT my hatred/liking for Obama, we're talking about Harry and Romney. Not Obama. What was that comment about mouth engaging before the mind? It fits well.... for you.


  29. "but not on someone refusing to show that his money is not tainted or just might come from a foreign country."

    Isn't that why taxpayers' file their returns yearly with the IRS? Isn't that what the IRS is for? Not Harry's job. He should stick to passing a budget. The Senate under his tutelage hasn't since 2009.

    To my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, IRS has not taken any action against Romney for any violations of tax laws and returns. IRS has taken numerous actions against Warren Buffett for his returns. And the disputes and taxes paid are still under review and consideration. Have been for years. If it were anyone else [other than Buffett like Wesley Snipes], he/she and their businesses would be in violation of IRS code and subject to accounts frozen, liens placed against their assets, closures and incarceration.


  30. "The fact checking group Politifact rates Romney with many half-truths, falsehoods, and "Pants On Fire" regarding his statements. I wouldn't by a used car from him without a car fax, maybe two!"

    Mr. Warrick:

    Here's what your source says about Harry's comments about Romney's taxes. You may want to reconsider that used car buy. It may be the best value you'll get for your money. That is if you can afford used cadillacs. The Romney's preferred mode of transportation.


  31. Mr. Warrick:

    Here's an excerpt from the source you quoted:

    "Outside commentators, including liberals, have slammed Reid as well. The New York Times' Frank Bruni called Reid's charges part of an "unbecoming, corrosive game." "Spew first and sweat the details later, or never," Bruni wrote. "Speak loosely and carry a stick-thin collection of backup materials, or none at all. That's the M.O. of the moment, familiar from the past but in particularly galling and profuse flower of late."

    "Many readers asked us to put Reid's claim to the Truth-O-Meter. We conclude that Reid, despite repeating the claim on at least two occasions, has not produced any solid evidence it is true."

    Save your nickels and save your dimes. That used Romney cadillac may be yours some day [unless Harry beats you to it].


  32. And more Mr. Warrick [from your source]:

    "Reid has produced no evidence to back up his claim other than attribution to a shadowy anonymous source. Romney has denied the claim, and tax experts back him up, saying that the nature of Romney's investments in Bain make it highly unlikely he would have been able to avoid paying taxes altogether -- especially for 10 years.

    Reid has made an extreme claim with nothing solid to back it up. Pants on Fire!"

    You should really read the sources you provide. It would save me the time and trouble of having to refute you with a dozen posts/excerpts from and about it.


  33. My apologies Mr. Warrick, I should have addressed the excerpts to Mr. Tanner.... AND YOU. Both of you are in need of a tax education.


  34. "Keep up the good work Carmine! "

    Mr. Tanner:

    Will do. You won't hear those falsehoods you mentioned from me. Just the facts.


    What happened? Dirty Harry endorsed Mitt Romney. Told you so during the Superbowl aftermath. It's half-time and we're coming back!


  35. "one Democrat puts out a possible false claim and you're all over it with claims of slander."

    A possible falsehood. Surely you jest. It's rated pants on fire. There is zero credibility to Harry's allegations. ALL, that is ALL tax and financial experts, Democrats, liberals, Washington Post and NY Times columnists tell us that the possibilty of Romney paying no taxes in any one year is extremely remote to non-existent. The possibility of paying no taxes for 10 years is non-existent to the nth power.

    One exception to the above: Nancy Pelosi. She believes Harry's lies are a fact. Consider the source. She made over $5 Million by trading on inside info, a result of her Speaker position, on a credit card/bank company. As did others like her.


  36. This thread is about Romney's tax returns.

    The man is squeaky clean. He's so honest, he tells the truth even when it hurts him politically. A welcomed change for politicians. He doesn't have any skeletons in the closet. He doesn't even have a closet. As Gov of Mass, he waived his salary for 4 years so there would be extra money in the budget to pay his staff more. And as President he will probably do the same.

    If he's good enough for Clint Eastwood, he's good enough for America.


  37. Has anyone considered that Sen. Harry Reid's source about Gov.Mitt Romney's taxes could have come from Sen. John McCain thru a thrid party? What Sen. Reid said about ex- Gov.Romney not paying taxes for 10 years, are pretty strong comments. Sen. Reid is a very smart man, I can not see him saying such a thing without a reliable source in the background.Could it be we have a deep throat some where out there, such as we had in the Watergate scandle.

  38. Mr. Pizzo:

    Romney made $20 million in 2010. He paid $3 million in taxes. Romney paid more taxes in one year than most Americans pay in their entire lifetimes. Once his 2011 taxes are released, it will probably show that he paid the same or more in taxes.

    Does Romney employ a cadre of lawyers and accountants to minimize his tax liablity. Of course he does just like all the other rich and famous people do. It that legal? Of course it is, because if not, IRS would go after him, just as it did and still does with Warren Buffett. Buffett is in arrears with his tax payments to IRS going back to the mid 90's.

    The likelihood of not paying taxes on $20 million in income for one year is remote to non-existent. The likelihood on not paying taxes on $20 million every year for 10 years is a galactic absurdity. Don't take my word, read what EVERYBODY, that is EVERYBODY, who knows anything about taxes in the USA says about Reid's allegations.

    Reid is finished. He's history. The democratic party will have nothing to do with him when the dust finally settles on this issue. And it will. Nothing. He will be persona non-grata.

    I opine that Congress will pass a parliamentary rule preventing false unfounded character assassinations by its members on the floors. It will be called the Reid Rule in his ignominious honor.


  39. Carmine,"Romney made $20 million in 2010 he paid $3 million in taxes.He paid more in taxes in one year than most people pay in their lifetime"

    When you make that kind of money you pay more taxes,that's a given.When a person is that rich they do hire the best lawyers and accoutants to get the best advice on tax advantages to pay the least amount of taxes under the law.
    Every person in the U.S.can declare that Gov. Mitt Romney paid his fair share of taxes in 2010 because he proved it. Until he produces more than the years 2010,and 2011,taxes, this debate will continue.I don't believe that Gov. Romney cheated on his taxes.You are correct the IRS would have been all over him if he was.

    This debate resembles the birther issue with Pres.Barack Obama. Once he produced his full birth certificate,the crying stopped.

  40. Good evening Sun commenters,Enjoy your comments over the next week.My wife and I will be vacationing,good luck to all.

  41. Sam, have a great time with your Wife on vacation.

    Keep an eye and ear on the news. Romney will likely announce his VP selection in the next day or so. Look for Paul Ryan to get the nod.

    Nothing out on the taxes....yet.


  42. Mr. Tanner:

    I suggest you read the comments that Bernie Goldberg made about Harry's conduct on the floor of the Senate. And then reconsider your opinion.